Explain to me how it fits together.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""A lot of good things have been done here in the State of Israel since this war. But it must be said, there is no decision in any arena. In the end, I am on the right, and Netanyahu is the head of the right-wing camp. I said that, and at the same time I said something else. I am not, neither I, nor those with me, we do not work for anyone. We want to lead a change in the perception of security in the State of Israel and a real integration of the ultra-Orthodox public in the IDF, to take care of servicemen and their families - things that have not happened and have not happened for three years.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Just to clarify this. You say I'm on the right and the leader of the right is Netanyahu.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""We will strive for a broad government led by Netanyahu.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Isn't Lieberman on the right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""We would be happy for the government to be as broad as possible, and for everyone who defines themselves as right-wing to return home. By the way, maybe this way, this government will not rely on a majority of Goldknopf and Gafni and it will finally be possible not to continue in the mess we are in.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lieberman is invited to sit in Netanyahu's broad government, and so is Bennett, but you won't sit in his place?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""I will not sit back and do the thing I didn't like, that was done to me. The country is in trauma and I understand it because I was in trauma too.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Did you vote for Bennett?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""It doesn't matter who I voted for, but this story, that a small party ends up taking the premiership, that they take your choice and transfer it to a side, goes with Arab parties that are anti-Zionist..."\"<\/p>\n\n\n\n
So you won't do it again?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""I won't.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
You will not sit under Lieberman and Bennett.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""If I forget you, Jerusalem, forget my right hand. Every Jew says this. I will not tarnish my name, neither I nor the people in the party.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Is the commitment only under Netanyahu?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""The commitment is to be in a right-wing government, we will make it broad.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Led by Netanyahu?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""yes".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Let's talk about substance. You said you wouldn't enter the government without a law that would mobilize everyone and pass before the government is formed, but this is the same Ofer Winter who said a few weeks ago \u2013 "Establish units tailored to the Haredim, you'll see that there's no need for a law. Every time it becomes something political, the Haredim see it as a decree of destruction." How does that work out?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""It's going well. I want to explain - for twenty years, politicians from all sides have been explaining to us how they will or will not be mobilized. The issue is the most sensitive and painful for the majority of the Israeli public and, what a wonder, nothing is progressing.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""For 10 years in the army and two years outside the army, I have been working in the same direction. To do everything I can to integrate the Haredi public into the IDF. When I was a brigade commander, I established a Haredi company in Givati. When I was a company commander, I established another Haredi company in the paratroopers. My plan was to establish companies throughout the army.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""I want to explain what I said. I have a plan. We will present the plan in full, but I want to tell you its principles. The plan is made up of three components. One component is the legislative component. I didn't say a conscription law. There is a conscription law for everyone - there is no need for a conscription law.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
That's why I was surprised. So what law did you mean?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""The law is intended to create a situation where those who serve receive more. Those who don't serve receive nothing.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
That is to say, the law actually doesn't deal with the conscription itself at all. Rather, it says - I served in the reserves. I will receive the subsidy in the dormitories.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""Very good. The law solves several problems at the same time. The law creates rewards for those who have served and those who serve more. The story of the law goes like this - you are a person in your country, you have reached the age of 18. You regulate your status with the State of Israel, you receive rights from the state. You have not regulated your status, you do not receive rights from the state.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""The IDF is a vital component. It has also been part of the problem for years. Led by chiefs of staff who spoke one with their mouths, one with their hearts and did not do much to integrate the Haredi public into the IDF. The last thing is the Defense Ministry component. The Haredi yeshivas will come to settle their status with the Defense Ministry, just as happens in religious Zionism, they will receive a budget. If you deceived the state, you will not receive a budget.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
You want a law, it doesn't work with the Haredim, and the Haredim are Netanyahu's partners, so there really isn't a right-wing government. Do you want the Haredim in the government?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""We, the Amach Yisrael Party, want to lead change.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
But this change can't happen with the Haredim. You know that. No bullshit.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""Their government also cannot happen without the Amach Yisrael party.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
You are with 4 and they are with 18. What to do?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""I hope, I believe, that the people of Israel will see hope in this party, and it won't be 4. It will be much more.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I'm trying to understand, when you fantasize about your government, and with this law of yours, does it include the Haredi parties or not?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""I would be very happy if there were ultra-Orthodox parties. I am not ruling out anyone.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I understand, do you see such a government with Haredim?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""There is no lawlessness here. What was, will not be.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\u2022<\/p>\n\n\n\n
As a matter of fact, you are not in contact with Bennett today, you will not recommend him for prime minister as you said, Lieberman as above, Gadi Eisenkot said that you cannot be defense minister because you were not in the strategic command of the army, your response?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""I understand. Gadi Eisenkot didn't think I could also be a division commander, which is a fact that I ended up becoming. He said I couldn't be a military secretary, which I ended up becoming. I became both the defense minister and the prime minister. I'll say it this way, I'm sorry for the words.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""If the strategic echelon means appointments - Gadi's deputy is Yair Golan, number 3 is Aharon Haliva, number 4 is the head of the Military Intelligence Department, Herzli Halevi. Tell me who your hive is, I'll tell you what your opinions are. I'm glad I disagreed. Herzli Halevi told me when he told me to go home, 'Your strategic thinking doesn't suit us at the General Staff.'".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""Do you know what it was mainly? I went to all the army courses, battalion commanders, battalion commanders, all the places I lectured, and I said - 'Our soldiers' lives before the enemy's civilians,' when the chiefs of staff were instructed exactly the opposite. No, guys, I'm not confused, this is the real morality.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\u2022<\/p>\n\n\n\n
If you find out a week before the election that you're still swinging, do you run to the end?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""We will examine our steps responsibly, because the people of Israel are more important than us. We will talk a week before the elections.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Tell me something about the meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. He invites you to a meeting a month and a half ago and offers you two armories, for you and someone else.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""I don't know who else he proposed to. I've known the prime minister for many years, I was his military secretary. I worked with him for a whole year. We know each other well. There was trust.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I think he lost his trust.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
\""I don't think so, I don't know.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Are you offended by the Prime Minister for his attack?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""No, there's nothing personal like \u2013 like I said \u2013 zero ego. I came from a real mission.".<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I have yet to meet a politician with zero ego.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\""I pray three prayers a day and say to myself at the end, 'God, protect my tongue from evil, and my soul will be like ashes to all.' I serve the people of Israel, I work on my virtues and intend to serve only the people of Israel. All my years I have walked at the head of my warriors and I knew that the people of Israel were before me. That is how I acted and that is how I will act now.".<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\u05dc\u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05d0\u05d6 \u05d4\u05e9\u05e7\u05ea \u05de\u05e4\u05dc\u05d2\u05ea\u05d5 '\u05e2\u05de\u05da \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc', \u05e2\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8 \u05d5\u05d9\u05e0\u05d8\u05e8 \u05de\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8: \"\u05d0\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05db\u05d7\u05da \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd, \u05ea\u05e9\u05db\u05d7 \u05d9\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9 - \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d1 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05dc\u05d9\u05d1\u05e8\u05de\u05df \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d1\u05e0\u05d8\" \u2022 \"\u05d0\u05e9\u05de\u05d7 \u05e9\u05db\u05dc \u05de\u05d9 \u05e9\u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05e8 \u05e2\u05e6\u05de\u05d5 \u05d9\u05de\u05d9\u05df, \u05d9\u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea\u05d4. \u05d0\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9 \u05db\u05da, \u05d4\u05de\u05de\u05e9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d6\u05d0\u05ea \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05e9\u05e2\u05df \u05e2\u05dc \u05e8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05d2\u05d5\u05dc\u05d3\u05e7\u05e0\u05d5\u05e4\u05e3 \u05d5\u05d2\u05e4\u05e0\u05d9\" \u2022 \u05d0\u05d9\u05da \u05d9\u05d8\u05e4\u05dc \u05d1\u05d2\u05d9\u05d5\u05e1 \u05d4\u05d7\u05e8\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd? \u05d5\u05de\u05d4 \u05d9\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05dd \u05d9\u05de\u05e9\u05d9\u05da \u05dc\u05d3\u05e9\u05d3\u05e9 \u05d1\u05e1\u05e7\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd?","protected":false},"author":47,"featured_media":1063314,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[6437,3730],"class_list":["post-1063313","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-1","tag-6437","tag-3730"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"\n
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